[Cro Dreoilin] "Shoulds"
Katie Murphy
katliz1234 at gmail.com
Fri Nov 25 14:04:10 MST 2011
Yes, definitely, you should follow the God(s) that you feel call to you,
rather than the God(s) that your parents/family/what have you expect you to
follow/worship. Like, Brad's parents expect him to be Christian but it was
never really true to him.
However, I can understand the importance of stopping and checking ourselves
for outside (say, Christian) moralistic views when it comes to approaching
daily life and our Gods.
On Fri, Nov 25, 2011 at 1:58 PM, Greyhart <greyhart at castle-luna.com> wrote:
> I think what both Sue and Katie are trying to get across, is that it is
> better to honor, worship, follow, whatever, the Gods who call you, rather
> than the God(s) your family expect(s) you to. I may be wrong on that, but
> that's what I'm getting from their posts.
>
> Greyhart
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: community-bounces at crodreoilin.org
> [mailto:community-bounces at crodreoilin.org] On Behalf Of Kelley Forbes
> Sent: Friday, November 25, 2011 12:01 PM
> To: community at crodreoilin.org
> Cc: Kelley Forbes
> Subject: Re: [Cro Dreoilin] "Shoulds"
>
> I think wanting to do something is, truly, very important; it is, however,
> only peripherally related to what I was saying.
>
> There are different parts that "wanting" can play when we are talking about
> living up to our values. We can want something physically or emotionally or
> mentally or spiritually/philosophically. Sometimes those different wants
> can come into conflict. We can, for instance, choose to do something we
> would otherwise not want to do, because we also want to live up a certain
> set of values.
>
> The crux of it is that, even in this situation, we need to be able to say
> what value or values we are living up to. When we are specifically dealing
> with aesthetic wants and choices, if we find ourselves substituting the
> "because it will ..." phrase with " ... because I want to," too often, it
> can be an indication that we are masking moralistic behavior. In this
> case,
> "wanting" can mean the internalization of societal norms to the point that
> we can't separate our own choice from what we have been brought up to
> believe is true.
>
>
> -- Kelley.
>
>
> Katie Murphy wrote:
> > I like what Sue said about this. I think that doing something out of
> > obligation isn't as meaningful as doing something because you WANT to.
> >
> > --Katie
> >
> > On Sun, Nov 20, 2011 at 3:21 PM, sue blackmore
> > <sblackmore1966 at gmail.com <mailto:sblackmore1966 at gmail.com>> wrote:
> >
> > It has been said that the best reason to do anything is because we
> > want to. So we say please, step out of our comfort zone and
> > venerate our gods not because we should or its polite or the gods
> > need it but because we want to.
> >
> > On Nov 20, 2011 3:08 PM, "Charlotte Blackwood"
> > <charlotte.blackwood at gmail.com
> > <mailto:charlotte.blackwood at gmail.com>> wrote:
> >
> > You are so cool :) Thanks for that email :)
> >
> > On 11/20/11, Kelley Forbes <forbesk at astronomytower.net
> > <mailto:forbesk at astronomytower.net>> wrote:
> > > One interesting thing this topic of "needs" has me thinking
> > about is the
> > > place that "shoulds" have in our religion.
> > >
> > > In a values-based aesthetic, there are no independent
> > "should" actions
> > > or rules; there are no "thou shalts" or "thou shalt nots".
> > Every time
> > > you think of yourself as "having to" or "must" or "should
> > do", then you
> > > should be able to complete the phrase "because it will ____".
> > >
> > >
> > > "I should open the door, because it is hospitable to do so."
> > >
> > > "I should say 'please', because I am acknowledging the right
> > of the
> > > person to say no, and that builds independence and community."
> > >
> > > "I should step out of my comfort zone, because it is
> > courageous."
> > >
> > >
> > > If you catch yourself having a bunch of "should" thoughts
> > and not being
> > > able to complete that sentence, then you need to ask
> > yourself what
> > > ethics you are caring around with you that are someone
> > else's rules,
> > > most likely picked up from our decidedly moral-based culture.
> > >
> > >
> > > -- Kelley.
> > >
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