[Cro Dreoilin] "Shoulds"
Kelley Forbes
forbesk at astronomytower.net
Sat Nov 26 08:39:03 MST 2011
Alrighty, let's play the game:
"You should follow the God(s) that you feel call to you," because -- ?
-- Kelley & Chris.
Katie Murphy wrote:
> Yes, definitely, you should follow the God(s) that you feel call to
> you, rather than the God(s) that your parents/family/what have you
> expect you to follow/worship. Like, Brad's parents expect him to be
> Christian but it was never really true to him.
>
> However, I can understand the importance of stopping and checking
> ourselves for outside (say, Christian) moralistic views when it comes
> to approaching daily life and our Gods.
>
> On Fri, Nov 25, 2011 at 1:58 PM, Greyhart <greyhart at castle-luna.com
> <mailto:greyhart at castle-luna.com>> wrote:
>
> I think what both Sue and Katie are trying to get across, is that
> it is
> better to honor, worship, follow, whatever, the Gods who call you,
> rather
> than the God(s) your family expect(s) you to. I may be wrong on
> that, but
> that's what I'm getting from their posts.
>
> Greyhart
>
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> Subject: Re: [Cro Dreoilin] "Shoulds"
>
> I think wanting to do something is, truly, very important; it is,
> however,
> only peripherally related to what I was saying.
>
> There are different parts that "wanting" can play when we are
> talking about
> living up to our values. We can want something physically or
> emotionally or
> mentally or spiritually/philosophically. Sometimes those
> different wants
> can come into conflict. We can, for instance, choose to do
> something we
> would otherwise not want to do, because we also want to live up a
> certain
> set of values.
>
> The crux of it is that, even in this situation, we need to be able
> to say
> what value or values we are living up to. When we are
> specifically dealing
> with aesthetic wants and choices, if we find ourselves
> substituting the
> "because it will ..." phrase with " ... because I want to," too
> often, it
> can be an indication that we are masking moralistic behavior. In
> this case,
> "wanting" can mean the internalization of societal norms to the
> point that
> we can't separate our own choice from what we have been brought up to
> believe is true.
>
>
> -- Kelley.
>
>
> Katie Murphy wrote:
> > I like what Sue said about this. I think that doing something out of
> > obligation isn't as meaningful as doing something because you
> WANT to.
> >
> > --Katie
> >
> > On Sun, Nov 20, 2011 at 3:21 PM, sue blackmore
> > <sblackmore1966 at gmail.com <mailto:sblackmore1966 at gmail.com>
> <mailto:sblackmore1966 at gmail.com
> <mailto:sblackmore1966 at gmail.com>>> wrote:
> >
> > It has been said that the best reason to do anything is
> because we
> > want to. So we say please, step out of our comfort zone and
> > venerate our gods not because we should or its polite or the
> gods
> > need it but because we want to.
> >
> > On Nov 20, 2011 3:08 PM, "Charlotte Blackwood"
> > <charlotte.blackwood at gmail.com
> <mailto:charlotte.blackwood at gmail.com>
> > <mailto:charlotte.blackwood at gmail.com
> <mailto:charlotte.blackwood at gmail.com>>> wrote:
> >
> > You are so cool :) Thanks for that email :)
> >
> > On 11/20/11, Kelley Forbes <forbesk at astronomytower.net
> <mailto:forbesk at astronomytower.net>
> > <mailto:forbesk at astronomytower.net
> <mailto:forbesk at astronomytower.net>>> wrote:
> > > One interesting thing this topic of "needs" has me
> thinking
> > about is the
> > > place that "shoulds" have in our religion.
> > >
> > > In a values-based aesthetic, there are no independent
> > "should" actions
> > > or rules; there are no "thou shalts" or "thou shalt nots".
> > Every time
> > > you think of yourself as "having to" or "must" or "should
> > do", then you
> > > should be able to complete the phrase "because it will
> ____".
> > >
> > >
> > > "I should open the door, because it is hospitable to
> do so."
> > >
> > > "I should say 'please', because I am acknowledging the
> right
> > of the
> > > person to say no, and that builds independence and
> community."
> > >
> > > "I should step out of my comfort zone, because it is
> > courageous."
> > >
> > >
> > > If you catch yourself having a bunch of "should" thoughts
> > and not being
> > > able to complete that sentence, then you need to ask
> > yourself what
> > > ethics you are caring around with you that are someone
> > else's rules,
> > > most likely picked up from our decidedly moral-based
> culture.
> > >
> > >
> > > -- Kelley.
> > >
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