[Cro Dreoilin] "Shoulds"
Crow Hart
ladygreybird at gmail.com
Fri Dec 2 21:45:52 MST 2011
I have had alot Some Gods 'call' me, from different pantheons along this
path that is my faith. Some it was for just a short time and a purpose....
Some were a step in the right direction to lead me where i belong, where i
am now.
No, some of the deities i dealt with were not right for me, And i found out
the hArd way. (that is a long and personal story, ) Some were very helpful
and i would not be where i am today.
But either way i am greatful for what i went thru and the help i got,
whether i asked for it or not. And believe me, it came when i needed it
most.
But s far as curious goes, i think that some gods are just as curious of us
as we are of them. They just have more power and ability than we to do
something about it. lol. I have had visits over the years, again, and most
were pleasent.
But not all gods are 'honorable' , i even think that some of them have a
different take on the meaning. Hence the personal story.
The Gods that called me, some of them i still maintain a relationship with
- even if it has changed due to my currant life path, But i still love and
trust them as i did when i was on a different path. And they know this,
they know i still honor them.
The ones that used me, that did not have my best interest at haert; i do
not deal with anymore.
Greyhart, we all have a choice of who we deal with...Godly, or mortal. Just
like the rest of the choices we make in life.
On Fri, Dec 2, 2011 at 12:24 PM, Sebastian <jsburns at gmail.com> wrote:
> I would just like to clarify something. I was just making a joke about the
> pissed off thing. If you dedicate to a god(dess) and then don't honor them,
> then yes they will be a mite bit peeved.
>
> Greyhart <greyhart at castle-luna.com> wrote:
>
> >I guess I'm a little confused. From what you say, several Gods called you,
> >some of them weren't right for you, and some were just curious. I don't
> >understand what you mean by that. Were the Gods curious? About what? Where
> >their reasons curious? How? What type of God would have a reason to call
> >you, that was not honorable?
> >
> >
> >
> >My experience has been that when you are called by a particular God or
> >Goddess, there's no turning it down. You resonate so deeply with that
> Deity,
> >that you have to find out everything you can about them, and they may
> choose
> >the oddest ways to manifest to you. I am a son of Herne because He called
> to
> >me, and told me I was His son. I can't explain to you how it felt, or how
> I
> >knew this was who called me, I don't have the words to explain. It
> happened,
> >and there is no mistaking it.
> >
> >
> >
> >To me, that is being called by a God.
> >
> >
> >
> >Greyhart
> >
> >
> >
> >From: community-bounces at crodreoilin.org
> >[mailto:community-bounces at crodreoilin.org] On Behalf Of Crow Hart
> >Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2011 6:20 PM
> >To: community at crodreoilin.org
> >Subject: Re: [Cro Dreoilin] "Shoulds"
> >
> >
> >
> >1. Values? Honor, self-reliance, first come to mind for me . Which is
> >fitting given that i deal with the Norse Gods. lol. But i would also have
> to
> >had feelings to this too, being an Empath it is unavoidable.
> >
> >Thor has been with me since i was a little girl, i never would have
> survived
> >my childhood without him. Tyr has been with me far longer than Thor,
> through
> >previous lives. I owe Freya and Frigga more than i can say, as i am now in
> >Iowa with the man i love; after asking them for wise giudance and
> assistance
> >(you just have to be careful what you ask for , they may give it you. lol.
> >And make sure you really need and want thier help). I look to Odin for
> >advice. I am forever a moon child, so Mani is very important to me.
> >
> >How do the emotions relate to the 'values' thing?
> >
> >
> >
> >2. Why should I 'honor' the Gods that call to me rather than choosing one
> >myself?
> >
> >Because there was a reason they called me. Some of the reasons some of
> them
> >called me were honorable, on thier part; some were not, some were just
> >curious. It is up to me to decide whether or not pursuing the relationship
> >is beneficial to to either of us, will it enrich my life in some way? What
> >will i learn form this? Sometimes , it was that that God was not where i
> >belonged.
> >
> >Sometimes, my life is greatly enriched because i know i am where i
> belong. I
> >am home.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >Tyrscrow
> >
> >On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 5:01 PM, Kelley Forbes <forbesk at astronomytower.net
> >
> >wrote:
> >
> >So two questions:
> >
> >1. What values do your answers represent?
> >
> >2. Why should you worship the Gods that call to you rather than, say, Gods
> >you have chosen? -- or picked randomly out of a hat? You have an answer in
> >"they will be pissed"; is there more to it than that?
> >
> >
> >-- Kelley.
> >
> >
> >Sebastian wrote:
> >
> >I should follow the god(s) that call to me because I respect them and wish
> >to build a lasting relationship with them.
> >Or in some cases, "I should follow the god(s) that call to me because
> >otherwise they will be pissed."
> >
> >On Sat, Nov 26, 2011 at 9:16 AM, Donna Miller <dmiller at faerealm.com
> ><mailto:dmiller at faerealm.com>> wrote:
> >
> > Okay, let me go at it. I do not follow Celtic spiritual
> > traditions, being more drawn to ancient Persian spiritual
> > traditions. I follow Celtic musical traditions which is tied into
> > Celtic spirituality no matter what the Irish will tell you. I
> > still know nothing about the Celtic reconstructionist traditions
> > other than what Chris and Kelly taught us at the Jeffco CUUPS event.
> >
> > My own take on religion is that it exists, not for the god(s)'s
> > sake but for the purpose of building society. The rules of the
> > religion will mirror the religious community's strongest values,
> > not the other way around. What "offends the god" is what disrupts
> > society. Religion exists for man, not for god(dess)(s). Yet the
> > worship of a god strengthens the value that said god represents.
> >
> > What are the shoulds that build Celtic Reconstructionist society?
> > You are very open in belief but there should be guidelines set
> > down that are forbidden. Usually they have more to do to the
> > needs of the people in it than the tradition at hand.
> >
> > Enlighten me.
> >
> > DSM
> >
> >
> > On 11/26/2011 8:39 AM, Kelley Forbes wrote:
> >
> > Alrighty, let's play the game:
> >
> > "You should follow the God(s) that you feel call to you,"
> > because -- ?
> >
> >
> > -- Kelley & Chris.
> >
> > Katie Murphy wrote:
> >
> > Yes, definitely, you should follow the God(s) that you
> > feel call to you, rather than the God(s) that your
> > parents/family/what have you expect you to follow/worship.
> > Like, Brad's parents expect him to be Christian but it was
> > never really true to him.
> >
> > However, I can understand the importance of stopping and
> > checking ourselves for outside (say, Christian) moralistic
> > views when it comes to approaching daily life and our Gods.
> >
> > On Fri, Nov 25, 2011 at 1:58 PM, Greyhart
> > <greyhart at castle-luna.com
> > <mailto:greyhart at castle-luna.com>
> >
> > <mailto:greyhart at castle-luna.com
> >
> >
> > <mailto:greyhart at castle-luna.com>>> wrote:
> >
> > I think what both Sue and Katie are trying to get
> > across, is that
> > it is
> > better to honor, worship, follow, whatever, the Gods
> > who call you,
> > rather
> > than the God(s) your family expect(s) you to. I may be
> > wrong on
> > that, but
> > that's what I'm getting from their posts.
> >
> > Greyhart
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: community-bounces at crodreoilin.org
> > <mailto:community-bounces at crodreoilin.org>
> > <mailto:community-bounces at crodreoilin.org
> > <mailto:community-bounces at crodreoilin.org>>
> >
> > [mailto:community-bounces at crodreoilin.org
> >
> >
> > <mailto:community-bounces at crodreoilin.org>
> > <mailto:community-bounces at crodreoilin.org
> > <mailto:community-bounces at crodreoilin.org>>] On Behalf Of
> > Kelley Forbes
> > Sent: Friday, November 25, 2011 12:01 PM
> > To: community at crodreoilin.org
> > <mailto:community at crodreoilin.org>
> >
> > <mailto:community at crodreoilin.org
> >
> >
> > <mailto:community at crodreoilin.org>>
> > Cc: Kelley Forbes
> > Subject: Re: [Cro Dreoilin] "Shoulds"
> >
> > I think wanting to do something is, truly, very
> > important; it is,
> > however,
> > only peripherally related to what I was saying.
> >
> > There are different parts that "wanting" can play when
> > we are
> > talking about
> > living up to our values. We can want something
> > physically or
> > emotionally or
> > mentally or spiritually/philosophically. Sometimes those
> > different wants
> > can come into conflict. We can, for instance, choose to do
> > something we
> > would otherwise not want to do, because we also want to
> > live up a
> > certain
> > set of values.
> >
> > The crux of it is that, even in this situation, we need
> > to be able
> > to say
> > what value or values we are living up to. When we are
> > specifically dealing
> > with aesthetic wants and choices, if we find ourselves
> > substituting the
> > "because it will ..." phrase with " ... because I want
> > to," too
> > often, it
> > can be an indication that we are masking moralistic
> > behavior. In
> > this case,
> > "wanting" can mean the internalization of societal
> > norms to the
> > point that
> > we can't separate our own choice from what we have been
> > brought up to
> > believe is true.
> >
> >
> > -- Kelley.
> >
> >
> > Katie Murphy wrote:
> > > I like what Sue said about this. I think that doing
> > something out of
> > > obligation isn't as meaningful as doing something
> > because you
> > WANT to.
> > >
> > > --Katie
> > >
> > > On Sun, Nov 20, 2011 at 3:21 PM, sue blackmore
> > > <sblackmore1966 at gmail.com
> > <mailto:sblackmore1966 at gmail.com>
> > <mailto:sblackmore1966 at gmail.com
> > <mailto:sblackmore1966 at gmail.com>>
> > <mailto:sblackmore1966 at gmail.com
> > <mailto:sblackmore1966 at gmail.com>
> > <mailto:sblackmore1966 at gmail.com
> > <mailto:sblackmore1966 at gmail.com>>>> wrote:
> > >
> > > It has been said that the best reason to do anything is
> > because we
> > > want to. So we say please, step out of our comfort
> > zone and
> > > venerate our gods not because we should or its
> > polite or the
> > gods
> > > need it but because we want to.
> > >
> > > On Nov 20, 2011 3:08 PM, "Charlotte Blackwood"
> > > <charlotte.blackwood at gmail.com
> > <mailto:charlotte.blackwood at gmail.com>
> > <mailto:charlotte.blackwood at gmail.com
> > <mailto:charlotte.blackwood at gmail.com>>
> > > <mailto:charlotte.blackwood at gmail.com
> > <mailto:charlotte.blackwood at gmail.com>
> > <mailto:charlotte.blackwood at gmail.com
> > <mailto:charlotte.blackwood at gmail.com>>>> wrote:
> > >
> > > You are so cool :) Thanks for that email :)
> > >
> > > On 11/20/11, Kelley Forbes
> > <forbesk at astronomytower.net
> > <mailto:forbesk at astronomytower.net>
> > <mailto:forbesk at astronomytower.net
> > <mailto:forbesk at astronomytower.net>>
> > > <mailto:forbesk at astronomytower.net
> > <mailto:forbesk at astronomytower.net>
> > <mailto:forbesk at astronomytower.net
> > <mailto:forbesk at astronomytower.net>>>> wrote:
> > > > One interesting thing this topic of "needs" has me
> > thinking
> > > about is the
> > > > place that "shoulds" have in our religion.
> > > >
> > > > In a values-based aesthetic, there are no independent
> > > "should" actions
> > > > or rules; there are no "thou shalts" or "thou shalt nots".
> > > Every time
> > > > you think of yourself as "having to" or "must" or "should
> > > do", then you
> > > > should be able to complete the phrase "because it will
> > ____".
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > "I should open the door, because it is hospitable to
> > do so."
> > > >
> > > > "I should say 'please', because I am acknowledging the
> > right
> > > of the
> > > > person to say no, and that builds independence and
> > community."
> > > >
> > > > "I should step out of my comfort zone, because it is
> > > courageous."
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > If you catch yourself having a bunch of "should" thoughts
> > > and not being
> > > > able to complete that sentence, then you need to ask
> > > yourself what
> > > > ethics you are caring around with you that are someone
> > > else's rules,
> > > > most likely picked up from our decidedly moral-based
> > culture.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > -- Kelley.
> > > >
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