[Cro Dreoilin] "Shoulds"
Greyhart
greyhart at castle-luna.com
Sat Dec 3 12:41:07 MST 2011
I agree, we always have a choice. When Herne called me, it became obvious to
me that all other choices were wrong. It may be that because I don't work
with a pantheon, that I don't have other Gods talking to me on a regular
basis. I have certainly worked with other Gods, when the need arose. I also
believe that all Gods are aspects of the single entity I call Deity.
Don't misunderstand, I'm not trying to find fault in what you say. Your
beliefs are yours, and they are valid. I'm just trying to better understand
what you mean. I suspect that part of the issue is the words being used. I
think maybe what I think a word means, may be different than how you are
using it. I am in no way suggesting you change the words you use, I just
want to understand what they mean to you, so that I can better understand
what you mean.
When I say I was called by Herne, I mean it in the same way someone might be
called to a profession. The choice is obvious, and there is never any
thought of doing anything else. This is why I wanted you to clarify what you
meant. The way I use the term "called" it's a very strong concept of
attraction. While some Gods might be curious, as you say, I wouldn't say
they called me, unless I found that I had to serve them.
This is also why when describing my feelings on CR, I say that it tugs at
me. There is definitely a pull, and I need to explore it deeper, but at this
point, I haven't been called. That may change.
Greyhart
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I have had alot Some Gods 'call' me, from different pantheons along this
path that is my faith. Some it was for just a short time and a purpose....
Some were a step in the right direction to lead me where i belong, where i
am now.
No, some of the deities i dealt with were not right for me, And i found out
the hArd way. (that is a long and personal story, ) Some were very helpful
and i would not be where i am today.
But either way i am greatful for what i went thru and the help i got,
whether i asked for it or not. And believe me, it came when i needed it
most.
But s far as curious goes, i think that some gods are just as curious of us
as we are of them. They just have more power and ability than we to do
something about it. lol. I have had visits over the years, again, and most
were pleasent.
But not all gods are 'honorable' , i even think that some of them have a
different take on the meaning. Hence the personal story.
The Gods that called me, some of them i still maintain a relationship with -
even if it has changed due to my currant life path, But i still love and
trust them as i did when i was on a different path. And they know this, they
know i still honor them.
The ones that used me, that did not have my best interest at haert; i do not
deal with anymore.
Greyhart, we all have a choice of who we deal with...Godly, or mortal. Just
like the rest of the choices we make in life.
On Fri, Dec 2, 2011 at 12:24 PM, Sebastian <jsburns at gmail.com> wrote:
I would just like to clarify something. I was just making a joke about the
pissed off thing. If you dedicate to a god(dess) and then don't honor them,
then yes they will be a mite bit peeved.
Greyhart <greyhart at castle-luna.com> wrote:
>I guess I'm a little confused. From what you say, several Gods called you,
>some of them weren't right for you, and some were just curious. I don't
>understand what you mean by that. Were the Gods curious? About what? Where
>their reasons curious? How? What type of God would have a reason to call
>you, that was not honorable?
>
>
>
>My experience has been that when you are called by a particular God or
>Goddess, there's no turning it down. You resonate so deeply with that
Deity,
>that you have to find out everything you can about them, and they may
choose
>the oddest ways to manifest to you. I am a son of Herne because He called
to
>me, and told me I was His son. I can't explain to you how it felt, or how I
>knew this was who called me, I don't have the words to explain. It
happened,
>and there is no mistaking it.
>
>
>
>To me, that is being called by a God.
>
>
>
>Greyhart
>
>
>
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>
>
>
>1. Values? Honor, self-reliance, first come to mind for me . Which is
>fitting given that i deal with the Norse Gods. lol. But i would also have
to
>had feelings to this too, being an Empath it is unavoidable.
>
>Thor has been with me since i was a little girl, i never would have
survived
>my childhood without him. Tyr has been with me far longer than Thor,
through
>previous lives. I owe Freya and Frigga more than i can say, as i am now in
>Iowa with the man i love; after asking them for wise giudance and
assistance
>(you just have to be careful what you ask for , they may give it you. lol.
>And make sure you really need and want thier help). I look to Odin for
>advice. I am forever a moon child, so Mani is very important to me.
>
>How do the emotions relate to the 'values' thing?
>
>
>
>2. Why should I 'honor' the Gods that call to me rather than choosing one
>myself?
>
>Because there was a reason they called me. Some of the reasons some of them
>called me were honorable, on thier part; some were not, some were just
>curious. It is up to me to decide whether or not pursuing the relationship
>is beneficial to to either of us, will it enrich my life in some way? What
>will i learn form this? Sometimes , it was that that God was not where i
>belonged.
>
>Sometimes, my life is greatly enriched because i know i am where i belong.
I
>am home.
>
>
>
>
>
>Tyrscrow
>
>On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 5:01 PM, Kelley Forbes <forbesk at astronomytower.net>
>wrote:
>
>So two questions:
>
>1. What values do your answers represent?
>
>2. Why should you worship the Gods that call to you rather than, say, Gods
>you have chosen? -- or picked randomly out of a hat? You have an answer in
>"they will be pissed"; is there more to it than that?
>
>
>-- Kelley.
>
>
>Sebastian wrote:
>
>I should follow the god(s) that call to me because I respect them and wish
>to build a lasting relationship with them.
>Or in some cases, "I should follow the god(s) that call to me because
>otherwise they will be pissed."
>
>On Sat, Nov 26, 2011 at 9:16 AM, Donna Miller <dmiller at faerealm.com
><mailto:dmiller at faerealm.com>> wrote:
>
> Okay, let me go at it. I do not follow Celtic spiritual
> traditions, being more drawn to ancient Persian spiritual
> traditions. I follow Celtic musical traditions which is tied into
> Celtic spirituality no matter what the Irish will tell you. I
> still know nothing about the Celtic reconstructionist traditions
> other than what Chris and Kelly taught us at the Jeffco CUUPS event.
>
> My own take on religion is that it exists, not for the god(s)'s
> sake but for the purpose of building society. The rules of the
> religion will mirror the religious community's strongest values,
> not the other way around. What "offends the god" is what disrupts
> society. Religion exists for man, not for god(dess)(s). Yet the
> worship of a god strengthens the value that said god represents.
>
> What are the shoulds that build Celtic Reconstructionist society?
> You are very open in belief but there should be guidelines set
> down that are forbidden. Usually they have more to do to the
> needs of the people in it than the tradition at hand.
>
> Enlighten me.
>
> DSM
>
>
> On 11/26/2011 8:39 AM, Kelley Forbes wrote:
>
> Alrighty, let's play the game:
>
> "You should follow the God(s) that you feel call to you,"
> because -- ?
>
>
> -- Kelley & Chris.
>
> Katie Murphy wrote:
>
> Yes, definitely, you should follow the God(s) that you
> feel call to you, rather than the God(s) that your
> parents/family/what have you expect you to follow/worship.
> Like, Brad's parents expect him to be Christian but it was
> never really true to him.
>
> However, I can understand the importance of stopping and
> checking ourselves for outside (say, Christian) moralistic
> views when it comes to approaching daily life and our Gods.
>
> On Fri, Nov 25, 2011 at 1:58 PM, Greyhart
> <greyhart at castle-luna.com
> <mailto:greyhart at castle-luna.com>
>
> <mailto:greyhart at castle-luna.com
>
>
> <mailto:greyhart at castle-luna.com>>> wrote:
>
> I think what both Sue and Katie are trying to get
> across, is that
> it is
> better to honor, worship, follow, whatever, the Gods
> who call you,
> rather
> than the God(s) your family expect(s) you to. I may be
> wrong on
> that, but
> that's what I'm getting from their posts.
>
> Greyhart
>
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> I think wanting to do something is, truly, very
> important; it is,
> however,
> only peripherally related to what I was saying.
>
> There are different parts that "wanting" can play when
> we are
> talking about
> living up to our values. We can want something
> physically or
> emotionally or
> mentally or spiritually/philosophically. Sometimes those
> different wants
> can come into conflict. We can, for instance, choose to do
> something we
> would otherwise not want to do, because we also want to
> live up a
> certain
> set of values.
>
> The crux of it is that, even in this situation, we need
> to be able
> to say
> what value or values we are living up to. When we are
> specifically dealing
> with aesthetic wants and choices, if we find ourselves
> substituting the
> "because it will ..." phrase with " ... because I want
> to," too
> often, it
> can be an indication that we are masking moralistic
> behavior. In
> this case,
> "wanting" can mean the internalization of societal
> norms to the
> point that
> we can't separate our own choice from what we have been
> brought up to
> believe is true.
>
>
> -- Kelley.
>
>
> Katie Murphy wrote:
> > I like what Sue said about this. I think that doing
> something out of
> > obligation isn't as meaningful as doing something
> because you
> WANT to.
> >
> > --Katie
> >
> > On Sun, Nov 20, 2011 at 3:21 PM, sue blackmore
> > <sblackmore1966 at gmail.com
> <mailto:sblackmore1966 at gmail.com>
> <mailto:sblackmore1966 at gmail.com
> <mailto:sblackmore1966 at gmail.com>>
> <mailto:sblackmore1966 at gmail.com
> <mailto:sblackmore1966 at gmail.com>
> <mailto:sblackmore1966 at gmail.com
> <mailto:sblackmore1966 at gmail.com>>>> wrote:
> >
> > It has been said that the best reason to do anything is
> because we
> > want to. So we say please, step out of our comfort
> zone and
> > venerate our gods not because we should or its
> polite or the
> gods
> > need it but because we want to.
> >
> > On Nov 20, 2011 3:08 PM, "Charlotte Blackwood"
> > <charlotte.blackwood at gmail.com
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> <mailto:charlotte.blackwood at gmail.com>
> <mailto:charlotte.blackwood at gmail.com
> <mailto:charlotte.blackwood at gmail.com>>>> wrote:
> >
> > You are so cool :) Thanks for that email :)
> >
> > On 11/20/11, Kelley Forbes
> <forbesk at astronomytower.net
> <mailto:forbesk at astronomytower.net>
> <mailto:forbesk at astronomytower.net
> <mailto:forbesk at astronomytower.net>>
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> <mailto:forbesk at astronomytower.net>
> <mailto:forbesk at astronomytower.net
> <mailto:forbesk at astronomytower.net>>>> wrote:
> > > One interesting thing this topic of "needs" has me
> thinking
> > about is the
> > > place that "shoulds" have in our religion.
> > >
> > > In a values-based aesthetic, there are no independent
> > "should" actions
> > > or rules; there are no "thou shalts" or "thou shalt nots".
> > Every time
> > > you think of yourself as "having to" or "must" or "should
> > do", then you
> > > should be able to complete the phrase "because it will
> ____".
> > >
> > >
> > > "I should open the door, because it is hospitable to
> do so."
> > >
> > > "I should say 'please', because I am acknowledging the
> right
> > of the
> > > person to say no, and that builds independence and
> community."
> > >
> > > "I should step out of my comfort zone, because it is
> > courageous."
> > >
> > >
> > > If you catch yourself having a bunch of "should" thoughts
> > and not being
> > > able to complete that sentence, then you need to ask
> > yourself what
> > > ethics you are caring around with you that are someone
> > else's rules,
> > > most likely picked up from our decidedly moral-based
> culture.
> > >
> > >
> > > -- Kelley.
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