I have had alot Some Gods 'call' me, from different pantheons along this path that is my faith. Some it was for just a short time and a purpose.... Some were a step in the right direction to lead me where i belong, where i am now.<div>
No, some of the deities i dealt with were not right for me, And i found out the hArd way. (that is a long and personal story, ) Some were very helpful and i would not be where i am today. <br>But either way i am greatful for what i went thru and the help i got, whether i asked for it or not. And believe me, it came when i needed it most.</div>
<div><br></div><div>But s far as curious goes, i think that some gods are just as curious of us as we are of them. They just have more power and ability than we to do something about it. lol. I have had visits over the years, again, and most were pleasent.</div>
<div>But not all gods are 'honorable' , i even think that some of them have a different take on the meaning. Hence the personal story.</div><div><br></div><div>The Gods that called me, some of them i still maintain a relationship with - even if it has changed due to my currant life path, But i still love and trust them as i did when i was on a different path. And they know this, they know i still honor them.</div>
<div>The ones that used me, that did not have my best interest at haert; i do not deal with anymore.</div><div><br></div><div>Greyhart, we all have a choice of who we deal with...Godly, or mortal. Just like the rest of the choices we make in life.</div>
<div><br></div><div> <br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Dec 2, 2011 at 12:24 PM, Sebastian <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:jsburns@gmail.com">jsburns@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
I would just like to clarify something. I was just making a joke about the pissed off thing. If you dedicate to a god(dess) and then don't honor them, then yes they will be a mite bit peeved.<br>
<div><div></div><div class="h5"><br>
Greyhart <<a href="mailto:greyhart@castle-luna.com">greyhart@castle-luna.com</a>> wrote:<br>
<br>
>I guess I'm a little confused. From what you say, several Gods called you,<br>
>some of them weren't right for you, and some were just curious. I don't<br>
>understand what you mean by that. Were the Gods curious? About what? Where<br>
>their reasons curious? How? What type of God would have a reason to call<br>
>you, that was not honorable?<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
>My experience has been that when you are called by a particular God or<br>
>Goddess, there's no turning it down. You resonate so deeply with that Deity,<br>
>that you have to find out everything you can about them, and they may choose<br>
>the oddest ways to manifest to you. I am a son of Herne because He called to<br>
>me, and told me I was His son. I can't explain to you how it felt, or how I<br>
>knew this was who called me, I don't have the words to explain. It happened,<br>
>and there is no mistaking it.<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
>To me, that is being called by a God.<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
>Greyhart<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
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>[mailto:<a href="mailto:community-bounces@crodreoilin.org">community-bounces@crodreoilin.org</a>] On Behalf Of Crow Hart<br>
>Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2011 6:20 PM<br>
>To: <a href="mailto:community@crodreoilin.org">community@crodreoilin.org</a><br>
>Subject: Re: [Cro Dreoilin] "Shoulds"<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
>1. Values? Honor, self-reliance, first come to mind for me . Which is<br>
>fitting given that i deal with the Norse Gods. lol. But i would also have to<br>
>had feelings to this too, being an Empath it is unavoidable.<br>
><br>
>Thor has been with me since i was a little girl, i never would have survived<br>
>my childhood without him. Tyr has been with me far longer than Thor, through<br>
>previous lives. I owe Freya and Frigga more than i can say, as i am now in<br>
>Iowa with the man i love; after asking them for wise giudance and assistance<br>
>(you just have to be careful what you ask for , they may give it you. lol.<br>
>And make sure you really need and want thier help). I look to Odin for<br>
>advice. I am forever a moon child, so Mani is very important to me.<br>
><br>
>How do the emotions relate to the 'values' thing?<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
>2. Why should I 'honor' the Gods that call to me rather than choosing one<br>
>myself?<br>
><br>
>Because there was a reason they called me. Some of the reasons some of them<br>
>called me were honorable, on thier part; some were not, some were just<br>
>curious. It is up to me to decide whether or not pursuing the relationship<br>
>is beneficial to to either of us, will it enrich my life in some way? What<br>
>will i learn form this? Sometimes , it was that that God was not where i<br>
>belonged.<br>
><br>
>Sometimes, my life is greatly enriched because i know i am where i belong. I<br>
>am home.<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
>Tyrscrow<br>
><br>
>On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 5:01 PM, Kelley Forbes <<a href="mailto:forbesk@astronomytower.net">forbesk@astronomytower.net</a>><br>
>wrote:<br>
><br>
>So two questions:<br>
><br>
>1. What values do your answers represent?<br>
><br>
>2. Why should you worship the Gods that call to you rather than, say, Gods<br>
>you have chosen? -- or picked randomly out of a hat? You have an answer in<br>
>"they will be pissed"; is there more to it than that?<br>
><br>
><br>
>-- Kelley.<br>
><br>
><br>
>Sebastian wrote:<br>
><br>
>I should follow the god(s) that call to me because I respect them and wish<br>
>to build a lasting relationship with them.<br>
>Or in some cases, "I should follow the god(s) that call to me because<br>
>otherwise they will be pissed."<br>
><br>
>On Sat, Nov 26, 2011 at 9:16 AM, Donna Miller <<a href="mailto:dmiller@faerealm.com">dmiller@faerealm.com</a><br>
><mailto:<a href="mailto:dmiller@faerealm.com">dmiller@faerealm.com</a>>> wrote:<br>
><br>
> Okay, let me go at it. I do not follow Celtic spiritual<br>
> traditions, being more drawn to ancient Persian spiritual<br>
> traditions. I follow Celtic musical traditions which is tied into<br>
> Celtic spirituality no matter what the Irish will tell you. I<br>
> still know nothing about the Celtic reconstructionist traditions<br>
> other than what Chris and Kelly taught us at the Jeffco CUUPS event.<br>
><br>
> My own take on religion is that it exists, not for the god(s)'s<br>
> sake but for the purpose of building society. The rules of the<br>
> religion will mirror the religious community's strongest values,<br>
> not the other way around. What "offends the god" is what disrupts<br>
> society. Religion exists for man, not for god(dess)(s). Yet the<br>
> worship of a god strengthens the value that said god represents.<br>
><br>
> What are the shoulds that build Celtic Reconstructionist society?<br>
> You are very open in belief but there should be guidelines set<br>
> down that are forbidden. Usually they have more to do to the<br>
> needs of the people in it than the tradition at hand.<br>
><br>
> Enlighten me.<br>
><br>
> DSM<br>
><br>
><br>
> On 11/26/2011 8:39 AM, Kelley Forbes wrote:<br>
><br>
> Alrighty, let's play the game:<br>
><br>
> "You should follow the God(s) that you feel call to you,"<br>
> because -- ?<br>
><br>
><br>
> -- Kelley & Chris.<br>
><br>
> Katie Murphy wrote:<br>
><br>
> Yes, definitely, you should follow the God(s) that you<br>
> feel call to you, rather than the God(s) that your<br>
> parents/family/what have you expect you to follow/worship.<br>
> Like, Brad's parents expect him to be Christian but it was<br>
> never really true to him.<br>
><br>
> However, I can understand the importance of stopping and<br>
> checking ourselves for outside (say, Christian) moralistic<br>
> views when it comes to approaching daily life and our Gods.<br>
><br>
> On Fri, Nov 25, 2011 at 1:58 PM, Greyhart<br>
> <<a href="mailto:greyhart@castle-luna.com">greyhart@castle-luna.com</a><br>
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><br>
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><br>
><br>
> <mailto:<a href="mailto:greyhart@castle-luna.com">greyhart@castle-luna.com</a>>>> wrote:<br>
><br>
> I think what both Sue and Katie are trying to get<br>
> across, is that<br>
> it is<br>
> better to honor, worship, follow, whatever, the Gods<br>
> who call you,<br>
> rather<br>
> than the God(s) your family expect(s) you to. I may be<br>
> wrong on<br>
> that, but<br>
> that's what I'm getting from their posts.<br>
><br>
> Greyhart<br>
><br>
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> Subject: Re: [Cro Dreoilin] "Shoulds"<br>
><br>
> I think wanting to do something is, truly, very<br>
> important; it is,<br>
> however,<br>
> only peripherally related to what I was saying.<br>
><br>
> There are different parts that "wanting" can play when<br>
> we are<br>
> talking about<br>
> living up to our values. We can want something<br>
> physically or<br>
> emotionally or<br>
> mentally or spiritually/philosophically. Sometimes those<br>
> different wants<br>
> can come into conflict. We can, for instance, choose to do<br>
> something we<br>
> would otherwise not want to do, because we also want to<br>
> live up a<br>
> certain<br>
> set of values.<br>
><br>
> The crux of it is that, even in this situation, we need<br>
> to be able<br>
> to say<br>
> what value or values we are living up to. When we are<br>
> specifically dealing<br>
> with aesthetic wants and choices, if we find ourselves<br>
> substituting the<br>
> "because it will ..." phrase with " ... because I want<br>
> to," too<br>
> often, it<br>
> can be an indication that we are masking moralistic<br>
> behavior. In<br>
> this case,<br>
> "wanting" can mean the internalization of societal<br>
> norms to the<br>
> point that<br>
> we can't separate our own choice from what we have been<br>
> brought up to<br>
> believe is true.<br>
><br>
><br>
> -- Kelley.<br>
><br>
><br>
> Katie Murphy wrote:<br>
> > I like what Sue said about this. I think that doing<br>
> something out of<br>
> > obligation isn't as meaningful as doing something<br>
> because you<br>
> WANT to.<br>
> ><br>
> > --Katie<br>
> ><br>
> > On Sun, Nov 20, 2011 at 3:21 PM, sue blackmore<br>
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> ><br>
> > It has been said that the best reason to do anything is<br>
> because we<br>
> > want to. So we say please, step out of our comfort<br>
> zone and<br>
> > venerate our gods not because we should or its<br>
> polite or the<br>
> gods<br>
> > need it but because we want to.<br>
> ><br>
> > On Nov 20, 2011 3:08 PM, "Charlotte Blackwood"<br>
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> ><br>
> > You are so cool :) Thanks for that email :)<br>
> ><br>
> > On 11/20/11, Kelley Forbes<br>
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> > > One interesting thing this topic of "needs" has me<br>
> thinking<br>
> > about is the<br>
> > > place that "shoulds" have in our religion.<br>
> > ><br>
> > > In a values-based aesthetic, there are no independent<br>
> > "should" actions<br>
> > > or rules; there are no "thou shalts" or "thou shalt nots".<br>
> > Every time<br>
> > > you think of yourself as "having to" or "must" or "should<br>
> > do", then you<br>
> > > should be able to complete the phrase "because it will<br>
> ____".<br>
> > ><br>
> > ><br>
> > > "I should open the door, because it is hospitable to<br>
> do so."<br>
> > ><br>
> > > "I should say 'please', because I am acknowledging the<br>
> right<br>
> > of the<br>
> > > person to say no, and that builds independence and<br>
> community."<br>
> > ><br>
> > > "I should step out of my comfort zone, because it is<br>
> > courageous."<br>
> > ><br>
> > ><br>
> > > If you catch yourself having a bunch of "should" thoughts<br>
> > and not being<br>
> > > able to complete that sentence, then you need to ask<br>
> > yourself what<br>
> > > ethics you are caring around with you that are someone<br>
> > else's rules,<br>
> > > most likely picked up from our decidedly moral-based<br>
> culture.<br>
> > ><br>
> > ><br>
> > > -- Kelley.<br>
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