[Cro Dreoilin] An interesting article

Sun May 1 11:08:23 MDT 2011

I will see your quote:

"When people are afraid to speak their minds for fear of being labeled in a
negative way by those seeking power, or simply through ignorance, Liberty is
dead." - Ken Biles (1964 - )

And raise you a quote:

"I may not agree with what you say, but I will defend to the death, your
right to say it." -- Evelyn Beatrice Hall, writing under the pseudonym of
Stephen G Tallentyre in "The Friends of Voltaire" (1906)

Back in the 1950's Senator Joseph McCarthy used the word Communist, in the
exact same way you are using the word Racist, Shaun. It got to the point
where everyone was afraid to say anything, for fear of being labeled a
Communist, and being blacklisted. A few strong individuals did eventually
stand up to the bully, and showed this country who he really was, and he
eventually left the government in disgrace.

Now, you brought up the race card Shaun, so it seems to me, by every
standard set by this country, that it is upon you to prove your accusation. 

To my friends who have stood up for me: thank you, but I don't know Shaun,
so his insults carry no weight.

Greyhart

From: community-bounces at crodreoilin.org
[mailto:community-bounces at crodreoilin.org] On Behalf Of Shaun Vavra
Sent: Sunday, May 01, 2011 8:20 AM
To: joy at frppd.org; community at crodreoilin.org
Subject: Re: [Cro Dreoilin] An interesting article

Hey, I'm just calling a duck, a duck.   I'm not going to sit by while others
make racist remarks of contribute to the notion.  It is when good people do
nothing that we lose our humanity.  "The only thing necessary for the
triumph of evil is for good men (people) to do nothing." - Edmund Burke
(1729-1797).

On Sun, May 1, 2011 at 8:00 AM, Joy Phelan <joy at frppd.org> wrote:

Shaun, 

I don't appreciate your attitude or tone. This is not a place to pick a
fight. If you cannot support your thoughts and opinions with clear, concise
statements that invite discussion, then please don't post.  I don't know
what your problem is with Greyhart, and frankly I don't care, but I don't
need to see it dramatized online. 

Abundant Blessings, 

~Joy

From: community-bounces at crodreoilin.org
[mailto:community-bounces at crodreoilin.org] On Behalf Of Shaun Vavra
Sent: Sunday, May 01, 2011 7:55 AM
To: community at crodreoilin.org
Subject: Re: [Cro Dreoilin] An interesting article

Yep, yep and yep...  It is racist and hiding the fact means your condoning
it.  If you don't understand, that is your problem.

On Sun, May 1, 2011 at 7:08 AM, Sebastian <jsburns at gmail.com> wrote:

@guenhwyfar

I was unaware that there was any tax revenue generated by this wedding. If
there wass a substantial amount of tax on this event, would you mind citing
for me where you go that information (not being snide, just curious). Also,
there has been a big to-do about royal weddings since there's been royalty.
Prince William getting hitched is following tradition, not a PR move.

Thank you Kyle for your post. I was just about to say the same thing, but
you go to the computer first.

On Sun, May 1, 2011 at 6:16 AM, Kyle Linklater <jklinklater2814 at gmail.com>
wrote:

Sean, the same could be said about you. You are not answering the question
put forth by Greyhart, but putting him down for asking a question.

This is a discussion group. Let's discuss, and not attack for these childish
reasons. I personally think that mixing politics and religion is a mistake.
This is why. Is it racist to ask for a proof of birth? Not really. It's the
end reason that determines that. If someone asked me for my BC, I'd be a
little confused as to why they might need it, but there are valid reasons
overall. And categorizing someone as racist for a question like that is in
poor taste. I would then be able to put silly and probably untrue labels on
everyone in this discussion because of what they have said. Will I? No.

Just sayin'...

On Apr 30, 2011 11:32 PM, "Shaun Vavra" <metalartvavra at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hey greyhart,
> 
> Is it that you want us to believe your confused? Ignorant? My guess is
> that you are neither and are quite happy to continue being racist. So,
> having a discussion with you would be like trying to convince Nixon that
the
> ends doesn't justify the means.
> 
> On Sat, Apr 30, 2011 at 6:32 PM, Greyhart <greyhart at castle-luna.com>
wrote:
> 
>> I guess I'm confused. How does asking for a birth certificate make one a
>> racist? Also, if no one is leading, how will anything get done?
>>
>>
>>
>> Greyhart
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* community-bounces at crodreoilin.org [mailto:
>> community-bounces at crodreoilin.org] *On Behalf Of *Shaun Vavra
>> *Sent:* Saturday, April 30, 2011 11:33 AM
>>
>> *To:* community at crodreoilin.org
>> *Subject:* Re: [Cro Dreoilin] An interesting article
>>
>>
>>
>> It is amazing to me how much interest Americans seem to have for the
>> royals. I'm not a big fan of monarchs or the belief that we have to
support
>> them. To me it fosters the notion that some human beings deserve more
>> attention than others for the sake of birth alone. If you haven't figured
>> out by now, we still live in a class based society and here in America
that
>> notion is very alive. We can have an idiot like trump get on national TV
>> and ask our president to present his birth certificate to all. What a
>> racist! Frankly I'm tired of the crap that is going on and felt the need
to
>> speak out about this. My hope is that some day we wont need monarchs, we
>> wont need class elites to run our world and we can live closer to the
Earth
>> and respect one another for who we are.
>>
>> Shaun
>>
>> On Sat, Apr 30, 2011 at 10:53 AM, Sebastian <jsburns at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> It's interesting that the author regularly brings up the idea that the
>> Prince is doing this to become a king of the kind that will ensure a
>> bountiful land, but does not consider how far back the mammoth cost of
the
>> wedding is going to impact Britain for years to come.
>>
>> On Sat, Apr 30, 2011 at 1:31 AM, Gary Begordis <draken8000 at aol.com>
wrote:
>>
>> Probably making it up but perhaps at least taking some from the past. One
>> can hope. I thought it was a really interesting article.
>>
>>
>> On Apr 29, 2011, at 10:22 PM, "Greyhart" <greyhart at castle-luna.com>
wrote:
>>
>> > The idea of a marriage to the land is certainly known by Wiccans.
>> >
>> > Having watched the wedding, I can say that there was a lot of sermon
>> > involved after the actual vows. The author also talked about how the
>> Druids
>> > are making a comeback in Britain, but since they are a revivalist
branch,
>> > not Reconstructionist, are they really reclaiming heritage, or making
it
>> up?
>> >
>> > Greyhart
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: community-bounces at crodreoilin.org
>> > [mailto:community-bounces at crodreoilin.org] On Behalf Of Kelley Forbes
>> > Sent: Friday, April 29, 2011 9:31 PM
>> > To: community at crodreoilin.org
>> > Subject: Re: [Cro Dreoilin] An interesting article
>> >
>> > Oh, yeah, that happened today.
>> >
>> > Thanks for the link. The author definitely takes a Wiccan viewpoint,
but
>> > it brings up some interesting subject matter.
>> >
>> > One of the more interesting parts to me was the assertion that Brittain
>> > "is actively reclaiming her heritage". Do you all think this is true?
>> >
>> > -- Kelley.
>> >
>> >
>> > Greyhart wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Today's royal wedding looked at from a different point of view.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>>
http://www.patheos.com/Resources/Additional-Resources/Royal-Wedding-Marrying
>> > -the-Land-Star-Foster-04-28-2011?offset=0&max=1
>> >>
>> > <
>>
http://www.patheos.com/Resources/Additional-Resources/Royal-Wedding-Marryin
>> > g-the-Land-Star-Foster-04-28-2011?offset=0&max=1>
>> >>
>> >> I had thought about this, but only because the wedding was the day
>> >> before my birthday.
>> >>
>> >> Greyhart
>> >>
>> >>
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