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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>I will see your quote:<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>“When people are afraid to speak their minds for fear of being labeled in a negative way by those seeking power, or simply through ignorance, Liberty is dead.” – Ken Biles (1964 - )<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>And raise you a quote: <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>“I may not agree with what you say, but I will defend to the death, your right to say it.” -- </span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#365F91'>Evelyn Beatrice Hall, writing under the pseudonym of Stephen G Tallentyre in "The Friends of Voltaire" (1906)</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Back in the 1950’s Senator Joseph McCarthy used the word Communist, in the exact same way you are using the word Racist, Shaun. It got to the point where everyone was afraid to say anything, for fear of being labeled a Communist, and being blacklisted. A few strong individuals did eventually stand up to the bully, and showed this country who he really was, and he eventually left the government in disgrace.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Now, you brought up the race card Shaun, so it seems to me, by every standard set by this country, that it is upon you to prove your accusation. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>To my friends who have stood up for me: thank you, but I don’t know Shaun, so his insults carry no weight.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Greyhart<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> community-bounces@crodreoilin.org [mailto:community-bounces@crodreoilin.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Shaun Vavra<br><b>Sent:</b> Sunday, May 01, 2011 8:20 AM<br><b>To:</b> joy@frppd.org; community@crodreoilin.org<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Cro Dreoilin] An interesting article<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>Hey, I'm just calling a duck, a duck. I'm not going to sit by while others make racist remarks of contribute to the notion. It is when good people do nothing that we lose our humanity. "The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for <em>good men</em> (people) to <em>do nothing</em>." - Edmund Burke (1729-1797).<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Sun, May 1, 2011 at 8:00 AM, Joy Phelan <<a href="mailto:joy@frppd.org">joy@frppd.org</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>Shaun, </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>I don’t appreciate your attitude or tone. This is not a place to pick a fight. If you cannot support your thoughts and opinions with clear, concise statements that invite discussion, then please don’t post. I don’t know what your problem is with Greyhart, and frankly I don’t care, but I don’t need to see it dramatized online. </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>Abundant Blessings, </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>~</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#00B050'>Joy</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><div style='border:none;border-top:solid windowtext 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in;border-color:-moz-use-text-color -moz-use-text-color'><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt'> <a href="mailto:community-bounces@crodreoilin.org" target="_blank">community-bounces@crodreoilin.org</a> [mailto:<a href="mailto:community-bounces@crodreoilin.org" target="_blank">community-bounces@crodreoilin.org</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Shaun Vavra<br><b>Sent:</b> Sunday, May 01, 2011 7:55 AM<br><b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:community@crodreoilin.org" target="_blank">community@crodreoilin.org</a><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Cro Dreoilin] An interesting article</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt'>Yep, yep and yep... It is racist and hiding the fact means your condoning it. If you don't understand, that is your problem.<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>On Sun, May 1, 2011 at 7:08 AM, Sebastian <<a href="mailto:jsburns@gmail.com" target="_blank">jsburns@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>@guenhwyfar<br><br>I was unaware that there was any tax revenue generated by this wedding. If there wass a substantial amount of tax on this event, would you mind citing for me where you go that information (not being snide, just curious). Also, there has been a big to-do about royal weddings since there's been royalty. Prince William getting hitched is following tradition, not a PR move.<br><br>Thank you Kyle for your post. I was just about to say the same thing, but you go to the computer first.<o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>On Sun, May 1, 2011 at 6:16 AM, Kyle Linklater <<a href="mailto:jklinklater2814@gmail.com" target="_blank">jklinklater2814@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><p>Sean, the same could be said about you. You are not answering the question put forth by Greyhart, but putting him down for asking a question.<o:p></o:p></p><p>This is a discussion group. Let's discuss, and not attack for these childish reasons. I personally think that mixing politics and religion is a mistake. This is why. Is it racist to ask for a proof of birth? Not really. It's the end reason that determines that. If someone asked me for my BC, I'd be a little confused as to why they might need it, but there are valid reasons overall. And categorizing someone as racist for a question like that is in poor taste. I would then be able to put silly and probably untrue labels on everyone in this discussion because of what they have said. Will I? No.<o:p></o:p></p><p>Just sayin'...<o:p></o:p></p><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>On Apr 30, 2011 11:32 PM, "Shaun Vavra" <<a href="mailto:metalartvavra@gmail.com" target="_blank">metalartvavra@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>> Hey greyhart,<br>> <br>> Is it that you want us to believe your confused? Ignorant? My guess is<br>> that you are neither and are quite happy to continue being racist. So,<br>> having a discussion with you would be like trying to convince Nixon that the<br>> ends doesn't justify the means.<br>> <br>> On Sat, Apr 30, 2011 at 6:32 PM, Greyhart <<a href="mailto:greyhart@castle-luna.com" target="_blank">greyhart@castle-luna.com</a>> wrote:<br>> <br>>> I guess I’m confused. How does asking for a birth certificate make one a<br>>> racist? Also, if no one is leading, how will anything get done?<br>>><br>>><br>>><br>>> Greyhart<br>>><br>>><br>>><br>>> *From:* <a href="mailto:community-bounces@crodreoilin.org" target="_blank">community-bounces@crodreoilin.org</a> [mailto:<br>>> <a href="mailto:community-bounces@crodreoilin.org" target="_blank">community-bounces@crodreoilin.org</a>] *On Behalf Of *Shaun Vavra<br>>> *Sent:* Saturday, April 30, 2011 11:33 AM<br>>><br>>> *To:* <a href="mailto:community@crodreoilin.org" target="_blank">community@crodreoilin.org</a><br>>> *Subject:* Re: [Cro Dreoilin] An interesting article<br>>><br>>><br>>><br>>> It is amazing to me how much interest Americans seem to have for the<br>>> royals. I'm not a big fan of monarchs or the belief that we have to support<br>>> them. To me it fosters the notion that some human beings deserve more<br>>> attention than others for the sake of birth alone. If you haven't figured<br>>> out by now, we still live in a class based society and here in America that<br>>> notion is very alive. We can have an idiot like trump get on national TV<br>>> and ask our president to present his birth certificate to all. What a<br>>> racist! Frankly I'm tired of the crap that is going on and felt the need to<br>>> speak out about this. My hope is that some day we wont need monarchs, we<br>>> wont need class elites to run our world and we can live closer to the Earth<br>>> and respect one another for who we are.<br>>><br>>> Shaun<br>>><br>>> On Sat, Apr 30, 2011 at 10:53 AM, Sebastian <<a href="mailto:jsburns@gmail.com" target="_blank">jsburns@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>>><br>>> It's interesting that the author regularly brings up the idea that the<br>>> Prince is doing this to become a king of the kind that will ensure a<br>>> bountiful land, but does not consider how far back the mammoth cost of the<br>>> wedding is going to impact Britain for years to come.<br>>><br>>> On Sat, Apr 30, 2011 at 1:31 AM, Gary Begordis <<a href="mailto:draken8000@aol.com" target="_blank">draken8000@aol.com</a>> wrote:<br>>><br>>> Probably making it up but perhaps at least taking some from the past. One<br>>> can hope. I thought it was a really interesting article.<br>>><br>>><br>>> On Apr 29, 2011, at 10:22 PM, "Greyhart" <<a href="mailto:greyhart@castle-luna.com" target="_blank">greyhart@castle-luna.com</a>> wrote:<br>>><br>>> > The idea of a marriage to the land is certainly known by Wiccans.<br>>> ><br>>> > Having watched the wedding, I can say that there was a lot of sermon<br>>> > involved after the actual vows. The author also talked about how the<br>>> Druids<br>>> > are making a comeback in Britain, but since they are a revivalist branch,<br>>> > not Reconstructionist, are they really reclaiming heritage, or making it<br>>> up?<br>>> ><br>>> > Greyhart<br>>> ><br>>> > -----Original Message-----<br>>> > From: <a href="mailto:community-bounces@crodreoilin.org" target="_blank">community-bounces@crodreoilin.org</a><br>>> > [mailto:<a href="mailto:community-bounces@crodreoilin.org" target="_blank">community-bounces@crodreoilin.org</a>] On Behalf Of Kelley Forbes<br>>> > Sent: Friday, April 29, 2011 9:31 PM<br>>> > To: <a href="mailto:community@crodreoilin.org" target="_blank">community@crodreoilin.org</a><br>>> > Subject: Re: [Cro Dreoilin] An interesting article<br>>> ><br>>> > Oh, yeah, that happened today.<br>>> ><br>>> > Thanks for the link. The author definitely takes a Wiccan viewpoint, but<br>>> > it brings up some interesting subject matter.<br>>> ><br>>> > One of the more interesting parts to me was the assertion that Brittain<br>>> > "is actively reclaiming her heritage". Do you all think this is true?<br>>> ><br>>> > -- Kelley.<br>>> ><br>>> ><br>>> > Greyhart wrote:<br>>> >><br>>> >> Today's royal wedding looked at from a different point of view.<br>>> >><br>>> >><br>>> ><br>>> <a href="http://www.patheos.com/Resources/Additional-Resources/Royal-Wedding-Marrying" target="_blank">http://www.patheos.com/Resources/Additional-Resources/Royal-Wedding-Marrying</a><br>>> > -the-Land-Star-Foster-04-28-2011?offset=0&max=1<br>>> >><br>>> > <<br>>> <a href="http://www.patheos.com/Resources/Additional-Resources/Royal-Wedding-Marryin" target="_blank">http://www.patheos.com/Resources/Additional-Resources/Royal-Wedding-Marryin</a><br>>> > g-the-Land-Star-Foster-04-28-2011?offset=0&max=1><br>>> >><br>>> >> I had thought about this, but only because the wedding was the day<br>>> >> before my birthday.<br>>> >><br>>> >> Greyhart<br>>> >><br>>> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------<br>>> >><br>>> >> _______________________________________________<br>>> >> Community mailing list<br>>> >> <a href="mailto:Community@crodreoilin.org" target="_blank">Community@crodreoilin.org</a><br>>> >> <a href="http://crodreoilin.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/community" target="_blank">http://crodreoilin.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/community</a><br>>> >><br>>> ><br>>> ><br>>> > _______________________________________________<br>>> > Community mailing list<br>>> > <a href="mailto:Community@crodreoilin.org" target="_blank">Community@crodreoilin.org</a><br>>> > <a href="http://crodreoilin.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/community" target="_blank">http://crodreoilin.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/community</a><br>>> ><br>>> ><br>>> > _______________________________________________<br>>> > Community mailing list<br>>> > <a href="mailto:Community@crodreoilin.org" target="_blank">Community@crodreoilin.org</a><br>>> > <a href="http://crodreoilin.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/community" target="_blank">http://crodreoilin.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/community</a><br>>><br>>> _______________________________________________<br>>> Community mailing list<br>>> <a href="mailto:Community@crodreoilin.org" target="_blank">Community@crodreoilin.org</a><br>>> <a href="http://crodreoilin.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/community" target="_blank">http://crodreoilin.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/community</a><br>>><br>>><br>>><br>>> _______________________________________________<br>>> Community mailing list<br>>> <a href="mailto:Community@crodreoilin.org" target="_blank">Community@crodreoilin.org</a><br>>> <a href="http://crodreoilin.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/community" target="_blank">http://crodreoilin.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/community</a><br>>><br>>><br>>><br>>> _______________________________________________<br>>> Community mailing list<br>>> <a href="mailto:Community@crodreoilin.org" target="_blank">Community@crodreoilin.org</a><br>>> <a href="http://crodreoilin.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/community" target="_blank">http://crodreoilin.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/community</a><br>>><br>>><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt'><br>_______________________________________________<br>Community mailing list<br><a href="mailto:Community@crodreoilin.org" target="_blank">Community@crodreoilin.org</a><br><a href="http://crodreoilin.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/community" target="_blank">http://crodreoilin.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/community</a><o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt'><br>_______________________________________________<br>Community mailing list<br><a href="mailto:Community@crodreoilin.org" target="_blank">Community@crodreoilin.org</a><br><a href="http://crodreoilin.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/community" target="_blank">http://crodreoilin.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/community</a><o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><br>_______________________________________________<br>Community mailing list<br><a href="mailto:Community@crodreoilin.org">Community@crodreoilin.org</a><br><a href="http://crodreoilin.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/community" target="_blank">http://crodreoilin.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/community</a><o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div></body></html>