[Cro Dreoilin] "Shoulds"
Greyhart
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Fri Dec 2 02:47:49 MST 2011
I guess I'm a little confused. From what you say, several Gods called you,
some of them weren't right for you, and some were just curious. I don't
understand what you mean by that. Were the Gods curious? About what? Where
their reasons curious? How? What type of God would have a reason to call
you, that was not honorable?
My experience has been that when you are called by a particular God or
Goddess, there's no turning it down. You resonate so deeply with that Deity,
that you have to find out everything you can about them, and they may choose
the oddest ways to manifest to you. I am a son of Herne because He called to
me, and told me I was His son. I can't explain to you how it felt, or how I
knew this was who called me, I don't have the words to explain. It happened,
and there is no mistaking it.
To me, that is being called by a God.
Greyhart
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1. Values? Honor, self-reliance, first come to mind for me . Which is
fitting given that i deal with the Norse Gods. lol. But i would also have to
had feelings to this too, being an Empath it is unavoidable.
Thor has been with me since i was a little girl, i never would have survived
my childhood without him. Tyr has been with me far longer than Thor, through
previous lives. I owe Freya and Frigga more than i can say, as i am now in
Iowa with the man i love; after asking them for wise giudance and assistance
(you just have to be careful what you ask for , they may give it you. lol.
And make sure you really need and want thier help). I look to Odin for
advice. I am forever a moon child, so Mani is very important to me.
How do the emotions relate to the 'values' thing?
2. Why should I 'honor' the Gods that call to me rather than choosing one
myself?
Because there was a reason they called me. Some of the reasons some of them
called me were honorable, on thier part; some were not, some were just
curious. It is up to me to decide whether or not pursuing the relationship
is beneficial to to either of us, will it enrich my life in some way? What
will i learn form this? Sometimes , it was that that God was not where i
belonged.
Sometimes, my life is greatly enriched because i know i am where i belong. I
am home.
Tyrscrow
On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 5:01 PM, Kelley Forbes <forbesk at astronomytower.net>
wrote:
So two questions:
1. What values do your answers represent?
2. Why should you worship the Gods that call to you rather than, say, Gods
you have chosen? -- or picked randomly out of a hat? You have an answer in
"they will be pissed"; is there more to it than that?
-- Kelley.
Sebastian wrote:
I should follow the god(s) that call to me because I respect them and wish
to build a lasting relationship with them.
Or in some cases, "I should follow the god(s) that call to me because
otherwise they will be pissed."
On Sat, Nov 26, 2011 at 9:16 AM, Donna Miller <dmiller at faerealm.com
<mailto:dmiller at faerealm.com>> wrote:
Okay, let me go at it. I do not follow Celtic spiritual
traditions, being more drawn to ancient Persian spiritual
traditions. I follow Celtic musical traditions which is tied into
Celtic spirituality no matter what the Irish will tell you. I
still know nothing about the Celtic reconstructionist traditions
other than what Chris and Kelly taught us at the Jeffco CUUPS event.
My own take on religion is that it exists, not for the god(s)'s
sake but for the purpose of building society. The rules of the
religion will mirror the religious community's strongest values,
not the other way around. What "offends the god" is what disrupts
society. Religion exists for man, not for god(dess)(s). Yet the
worship of a god strengthens the value that said god represents.
What are the shoulds that build Celtic Reconstructionist society?
You are very open in belief but there should be guidelines set
down that are forbidden. Usually they have more to do to the
needs of the people in it than the tradition at hand.
Enlighten me.
DSM
On 11/26/2011 8:39 AM, Kelley Forbes wrote:
Alrighty, let's play the game:
"You should follow the God(s) that you feel call to you,"
because -- ?
-- Kelley & Chris.
Katie Murphy wrote:
Yes, definitely, you should follow the God(s) that you
feel call to you, rather than the God(s) that your
parents/family/what have you expect you to follow/worship.
Like, Brad's parents expect him to be Christian but it was
never really true to him.
However, I can understand the importance of stopping and
checking ourselves for outside (say, Christian) moralistic
views when it comes to approaching daily life and our Gods.
On Fri, Nov 25, 2011 at 1:58 PM, Greyhart
<greyhart at castle-luna.com
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<mailto:greyhart at castle-luna.com>>> wrote:
I think what both Sue and Katie are trying to get
across, is that
it is
better to honor, worship, follow, whatever, the Gods
who call you,
rather
than the God(s) your family expect(s) you to. I may be
wrong on
that, but
that's what I'm getting from their posts.
Greyhart
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I think wanting to do something is, truly, very
important; it is,
however,
only peripherally related to what I was saying.
There are different parts that "wanting" can play when
we are
talking about
living up to our values. We can want something
physically or
emotionally or
mentally or spiritually/philosophically. Sometimes those
different wants
can come into conflict. We can, for instance, choose to do
something we
would otherwise not want to do, because we also want to
live up a
certain
set of values.
The crux of it is that, even in this situation, we need
to be able
to say
what value or values we are living up to. When we are
specifically dealing
with aesthetic wants and choices, if we find ourselves
substituting the
"because it will ..." phrase with " ... because I want
to," too
often, it
can be an indication that we are masking moralistic
behavior. In
this case,
"wanting" can mean the internalization of societal
norms to the
point that
we can't separate our own choice from what we have been
brought up to
believe is true.
-- Kelley.
Katie Murphy wrote:
> I like what Sue said about this. I think that doing
something out of
> obligation isn't as meaningful as doing something
because you
WANT to.
>
> --Katie
>
> On Sun, Nov 20, 2011 at 3:21 PM, sue blackmore
> <sblackmore1966 at gmail.com
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<mailto:sblackmore1966 at gmail.com>>>> wrote:
>
> It has been said that the best reason to do anything is
because we
> want to. So we say please, step out of our comfort
zone and
> venerate our gods not because we should or its
polite or the
gods
> need it but because we want to.
>
> On Nov 20, 2011 3:08 PM, "Charlotte Blackwood"
> <charlotte.blackwood at gmail.com
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>
> You are so cool :) Thanks for that email :)
>
> On 11/20/11, Kelley Forbes
<forbesk at astronomytower.net
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<mailto:forbesk at astronomytower.net
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> <mailto:forbesk at astronomytower.net
<mailto:forbesk at astronomytower.net>
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<mailto:forbesk at astronomytower.net>>>> wrote:
> > One interesting thing this topic of "needs" has me
thinking
> about is the
> > place that "shoulds" have in our religion.
> >
> > In a values-based aesthetic, there are no independent
> "should" actions
> > or rules; there are no "thou shalts" or "thou shalt nots".
> Every time
> > you think of yourself as "having to" or "must" or "should
> do", then you
> > should be able to complete the phrase "because it will
____".
> >
> >
> > "I should open the door, because it is hospitable to
do so."
> >
> > "I should say 'please', because I am acknowledging the
right
> of the
> > person to say no, and that builds independence and
community."
> >
> > "I should step out of my comfort zone, because it is
> courageous."
> >
> >
> > If you catch yourself having a bunch of "should" thoughts
> and not being
> > able to complete that sentence, then you need to ask
> yourself what
> > ethics you are caring around with you that are someone
> else's rules,
> > most likely picked up from our decidedly moral-based
culture.
> >
> >
> > -- Kelley.
> >
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