[Cro Dreoilin] "Shoulds"
Crow Hart
ladygreybird at gmail.com
Thu Dec 1 17:34:57 MST 2011
I agree with Brad, Personally i found that when i went against the grain
(the Gods, whoever they may be) things were a Hel of a lot harder than they
ever need be. Do they care in the end if i follow them? Do they really care
at all ? And yes i have had people ask me these questions...
I feel that some do care and take a vested interest in me, and some just do
what they do because they can.
But every time i go against they flow and ignore the "messages" and/or
prograstinate, they find a way to let me know they are not happy. And when
i am more attentive and cooperate, my life is greatly enriched.
SO my answer to the question.
I follow the Gods i do because i genuinely love them and want to honor
them, and strive to live my life accordingly.
Tyrscrow
On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 6:24 PM, Crow Hart <ladygreybird at gmail.com> wrote:
> I agree with Brad, Personally i found that when i went against the grain
> (the Gods, whoever they may be) things were a Hel of a lot harder than they
> ever need be. Do they care in the end if i follow them? Do they really care
> at all
>
>
> Nov 26, 2011 at 11:44 PM, Brad Hardman <the_project90 at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> Who knew that the quiet one would speak up randomly out of nowhere on
>> this discussion? It's very shocking to me, since I tend to be very reserved.
>>
>>
>> I don't know that I feel that I should worship the gods that call to me.
>> Nor can I say that at times I want to. I don't know why I worship the gods
>> that I do, nor do I feel like I really need a reason to. I do it because I
>> do it. Am I compelled to do it? Maybe. Do I want to do it? Yes, generally
>> speaking. Does it really matter if I do or not? Not in the grand scheme of
>> things, I am but one person, and the gods have existed longer than I and
>> will continue to exist after I am gone. Should I do it? Only in the sense
>> that I wish to commune and fellowship with them in a way that we can all
>> understand and allows for direct communication. Will their world end if I
>> don't? No. Will mine end if I don't? If it's the right god, maybe. I think
>> really for me it more boils down to me asking myself "Do I deserve to
>> worship these gods that have called to me and asked me to befriend them?"
>> In my moments of despair, the blackest of times, the times when there is
>> nothing, I am nothing, and nothing is all that will ever be, I remember
>> that they are the gods who called to me, and that they find me deserving. I
>> don't really know if this answers or avoids the question at hand, but it is
>> the only response that has formed in my mind, so it is the response that is
>> true.
>>
>> Brad
>> *From:* Sebastian <jsburns at gmail.com>
>> *To:* community at crodreoilin.org
>> *Sent:* Saturday, November 26, 2011 10:53 AM
>>
>> *Subject:* Re: [Cro Dreoilin] "Shoulds"
>>
>> I should follow the god(s) that call to me because I respect them and
>> wish to build a lasting relationship with them.
>> Or in some cases, "I should follow the god(s) that call to me because
>> otherwise they will be pissed."
>>
>> On Sat, Nov 26, 2011 at 9:16 AM, Donna Miller <dmiller at faerealm.com>wrote:
>>
>> Okay, let me go at it. I do not follow Celtic spiritual traditions,
>> being more drawn to ancient Persian spiritual traditions. I follow Celtic
>> musical traditions which is tied into Celtic spirituality no matter what
>> the Irish will tell you. I still know nothing about the Celtic
>> reconstructionist traditions other than what Chris and Kelly taught us at
>> the Jeffco CUUPS event.
>>
>> My own take on religion is that it exists, not for the god(s)'s sake but
>> for the purpose of building society. The rules of the religion will mirror
>> the religious community's strongest values, not the other way around. What
>> "offends the god" is what disrupts society. Religion exists for man, not
>> for god(dess)(s). Yet the worship of a god strengthens the value that said
>> god represents.
>>
>> What are the shoulds that build Celtic Reconstructionist society? You
>> are very open in belief but there should be guidelines set down that are
>> forbidden. Usually they have more to do to the needs of the people in it
>> than the tradition at hand.
>>
>> Enlighten me.
>>
>> DSM
>>
>>
>> On 11/26/2011 8:39 AM, Kelley Forbes wrote:
>>
>> Alrighty, let's play the game:
>>
>> "You should follow the God(s) that you feel call to you," because -- ?
>>
>>
>> -- Kelley & Chris.
>>
>> Katie Murphy wrote:
>>
>> Yes, definitely, you should follow the God(s) that you feel call to you,
>> rather than the God(s) that your parents/family/what have you expect you to
>> follow/worship. Like, Brad's parents expect him to be Christian but it was
>> never really true to him.
>>
>> However, I can understand the importance of stopping and checking
>> ourselves for outside (say, Christian) moralistic views when it comes to
>> approaching daily life and our Gods.
>>
>> On Fri, Nov 25, 2011 at 1:58 PM, Greyhart <greyhart at castle-luna.com<mailto:
>> greyhart at castle-luna.**com <greyhart at castle-luna.com>>> wrote:
>>
>> I think what both Sue and Katie are trying to get across, is that
>> it is
>> better to honor, worship, follow, whatever, the Gods who call you,
>> rather
>> than the God(s) your family expect(s) you to. I may be wrong on
>> that, but
>> that's what I'm getting from their posts.
>>
>> Greyhart
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
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>> On Behalf Of Kelley Forbes
>> Sent: Friday, November 25, 2011 12:01 PM
>> To: community at crodreoilin.org <mailto:community at crodreoilin.**org<community at crodreoilin.org>
>> >
>> Cc: Kelley Forbes
>> Subject: Re: [Cro Dreoilin] "Shoulds"
>>
>> I think wanting to do something is, truly, very important; it is,
>> however,
>> only peripherally related to what I was saying.
>>
>> There are different parts that "wanting" can play when we are
>> talking about
>> living up to our values. We can want something physically or
>> emotionally or
>> mentally or spiritually/philosophically. Sometimes those
>> different wants
>> can come into conflict. We can, for instance, choose to do
>> something we
>> would otherwise not want to do, because we also want to live up a
>> certain
>> set of values.
>>
>> The crux of it is that, even in this situation, we need to be able
>> to say
>> what value or values we are living up to. When we are
>> specifically dealing
>> with aesthetic wants and choices, if we find ourselves
>> substituting the
>> "because it will ..." phrase with " ... because I want to," too
>> often, it
>> can be an indication that we are masking moralistic behavior. In
>> this case,
>> "wanting" can mean the internalization of societal norms to the
>> point that
>> we can't separate our own choice from what we have been brought up to
>> believe is true.
>>
>>
>> -- Kelley.
>>
>>
>> Katie Murphy wrote:
>> > I like what Sue said about this. I think that doing something out of
>> > obligation isn't as meaningful as doing something because you
>> WANT to.
>> >
>> > --Katie
>> >
>> > On Sun, Nov 20, 2011 at 3:21 PM, sue blackmore
>> > <sblackmore1966 at gmail.com <mailto:sblackmore1966 at gmail.**com<sblackmore1966 at gmail.com>
>> >
>> <mailto:sblackmore1966 at gmail.**com <sblackmore1966 at gmail.com>
>> <mailto:sblackmore1966 at gmail.**com <sblackmore1966 at gmail.com>>>> wrote:
>> >
>> > It has been said that the best reason to do anything is
>> because we
>> > want to. So we say please, step out of our comfort zone and
>> > venerate our gods not because we should or its polite or the
>> gods
>> > need it but because we want to.
>> >
>> > On Nov 20, 2011 3:08 PM, "Charlotte Blackwood"
>> > <charlotte.blackwood at gmail.com
>> <mailto:charlotte.blackwood@**gmail.com <charlotte.blackwood at gmail.com>>
>> > <mailto:charlotte.blackwood@**gmail.com <charlotte.blackwood at gmail.com>
>> <mailto:charlotte.blackwood@**gmail.com <charlotte.blackwood at gmail.com>>>>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> > You are so cool :) Thanks for that email :)
>> >
>> > On 11/20/11, Kelley Forbes <forbesk at astronomytower.net
>> <mailto:forbesk@**astronomytower.net <forbesk at astronomytower.net>>
>> > <mailto:forbesk@**astronomytower.net <forbesk at astronomytower.net>
>> <mailto:forbesk@**astronomytower.net <forbesk at astronomytower.net>>>>
>> wrote:
>> > > One interesting thing this topic of "needs" has me
>> thinking
>> > about is the
>> > > place that "shoulds" have in our religion.
>> > >
>> > > In a values-based aesthetic, there are no independent
>> > "should" actions
>> > > or rules; there are no "thou shalts" or "thou shalt nots".
>> > Every time
>> > > you think of yourself as "having to" or "must" or "should
>> > do", then you
>> > > should be able to complete the phrase "because it will
>> ____".
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > "I should open the door, because it is hospitable to
>> do so."
>> > >
>> > > "I should say 'please', because I am acknowledging the
>> right
>> > of the
>> > > person to say no, and that builds independence and
>> community."
>> > >
>> > > "I should step out of my comfort zone, because it is
>> > courageous."
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > If you catch yourself having a bunch of "should" thoughts
>> > and not being
>> > > able to complete that sentence, then you need to ask
>> > yourself what
>> > > ethics you are caring around with you that are someone
>> > else's rules,
>> > > most likely picked up from our decidedly moral-based
>> culture.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > -- Kelley.
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