[Cro Dreoilin] "Shoulds"
Crow Hart
ladygreybird at gmail.com
Thu Dec 1 17:24:48 MST 2011
I agree with Brad, Personally i found that when i went against the grain
(the Gods, whoever they may be) things were a Hel of a lot harder than they
ever need be. Do they care in the end if i follow them? Do they really care
at all (i h
Nov 26, 2011 at 11:44 PM, Brad Hardman <the_project90 at yahoo.com> wrote:
> Who knew that the quiet one would speak up randomly out of nowhere on this
> discussion? It's very shocking to me, since I tend to be very reserved.
>
>
> I don't know that I feel that I should worship the gods that call to me.
> Nor can I say that at times I want to. I don't know why I worship the gods
> that I do, nor do I feel like I really need a reason to. I do it because I
> do it. Am I compelled to do it? Maybe. Do I want to do it? Yes, generally
> speaking. Does it really matter if I do or not? Not in the grand scheme of
> things, I am but one person, and the gods have existed longer than I and
> will continue to exist after I am gone. Should I do it? Only in the sense
> that I wish to commune and fellowship with them in a way that we can all
> understand and allows for direct communication. Will their world end if I
> don't? No. Will mine end if I don't? If it's the right god, maybe. I think
> really for me it more boils down to me asking myself "Do I deserve to
> worship these gods that have called to me and asked me to befriend them?"
> In my moments of despair, the blackest of times, the times when there is
> nothing, I am nothing, and nothing is all that will ever be, I remember
> that they are the gods who called to me, and that they find me deserving. I
> don't really know if this answers or avoids the question at hand, but it is
> the only response that has formed in my mind, so it is the response that is
> true.
>
> Brad
> *From:* Sebastian <jsburns at gmail.com>
> *To:* community at crodreoilin.org
> *Sent:* Saturday, November 26, 2011 10:53 AM
>
> *Subject:* Re: [Cro Dreoilin] "Shoulds"
>
> I should follow the god(s) that call to me because I respect them and wish
> to build a lasting relationship with them.
> Or in some cases, "I should follow the god(s) that call to me because
> otherwise they will be pissed."
>
> On Sat, Nov 26, 2011 at 9:16 AM, Donna Miller <dmiller at faerealm.com>wrote:
>
> Okay, let me go at it. I do not follow Celtic spiritual traditions, being
> more drawn to ancient Persian spiritual traditions. I follow Celtic
> musical traditions which is tied into Celtic spirituality no matter what
> the Irish will tell you. I still know nothing about the Celtic
> reconstructionist traditions other than what Chris and Kelly taught us at
> the Jeffco CUUPS event.
>
> My own take on religion is that it exists, not for the god(s)'s sake but
> for the purpose of building society. The rules of the religion will mirror
> the religious community's strongest values, not the other way around. What
> "offends the god" is what disrupts society. Religion exists for man, not
> for god(dess)(s). Yet the worship of a god strengthens the value that said
> god represents.
>
> What are the shoulds that build Celtic Reconstructionist society? You are
> very open in belief but there should be guidelines set down that are
> forbidden. Usually they have more to do to the needs of the people in it
> than the tradition at hand.
>
> Enlighten me.
>
> DSM
>
>
> On 11/26/2011 8:39 AM, Kelley Forbes wrote:
>
> Alrighty, let's play the game:
>
> "You should follow the God(s) that you feel call to you," because -- ?
>
>
> -- Kelley & Chris.
>
> Katie Murphy wrote:
>
> Yes, definitely, you should follow the God(s) that you feel call to you,
> rather than the God(s) that your parents/family/what have you expect you to
> follow/worship. Like, Brad's parents expect him to be Christian but it was
> never really true to him.
>
> However, I can understand the importance of stopping and checking
> ourselves for outside (say, Christian) moralistic views when it comes to
> approaching daily life and our Gods.
>
> On Fri, Nov 25, 2011 at 1:58 PM, Greyhart <greyhart at castle-luna.com<mailto:
> greyhart at castle-luna.**com <greyhart at castle-luna.com>>> wrote:
>
> I think what both Sue and Katie are trying to get across, is that
> it is
> better to honor, worship, follow, whatever, the Gods who call you,
> rather
> than the God(s) your family expect(s) you to. I may be wrong on
> that, but
> that's what I'm getting from their posts.
>
> Greyhart
>
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> Subject: Re: [Cro Dreoilin] "Shoulds"
>
> I think wanting to do something is, truly, very important; it is,
> however,
> only peripherally related to what I was saying.
>
> There are different parts that "wanting" can play when we are
> talking about
> living up to our values. We can want something physically or
> emotionally or
> mentally or spiritually/philosophically. Sometimes those
> different wants
> can come into conflict. We can, for instance, choose to do
> something we
> would otherwise not want to do, because we also want to live up a
> certain
> set of values.
>
> The crux of it is that, even in this situation, we need to be able
> to say
> what value or values we are living up to. When we are
> specifically dealing
> with aesthetic wants and choices, if we find ourselves
> substituting the
> "because it will ..." phrase with " ... because I want to," too
> often, it
> can be an indication that we are masking moralistic behavior. In
> this case,
> "wanting" can mean the internalization of societal norms to the
> point that
> we can't separate our own choice from what we have been brought up to
> believe is true.
>
>
> -- Kelley.
>
>
> Katie Murphy wrote:
> > I like what Sue said about this. I think that doing something out of
> > obligation isn't as meaningful as doing something because you
> WANT to.
> >
> > --Katie
> >
> > On Sun, Nov 20, 2011 at 3:21 PM, sue blackmore
> > <sblackmore1966 at gmail.com <mailto:sblackmore1966 at gmail.**com<sblackmore1966 at gmail.com>
> >
> <mailto:sblackmore1966 at gmail.**com <sblackmore1966 at gmail.com>
> <mailto:sblackmore1966 at gmail.**com <sblackmore1966 at gmail.com>>>> wrote:
> >
> > It has been said that the best reason to do anything is
> because we
> > want to. So we say please, step out of our comfort zone and
> > venerate our gods not because we should or its polite or the
> gods
> > need it but because we want to.
> >
> > On Nov 20, 2011 3:08 PM, "Charlotte Blackwood"
> > <charlotte.blackwood at gmail.com
> <mailto:charlotte.blackwood@**gmail.com <charlotte.blackwood at gmail.com>>
> > <mailto:charlotte.blackwood@**gmail.com <charlotte.blackwood at gmail.com>
> <mailto:charlotte.blackwood@**gmail.com <charlotte.blackwood at gmail.com>>>>
> wrote:
> >
> > You are so cool :) Thanks for that email :)
> >
> > On 11/20/11, Kelley Forbes <forbesk at astronomytower.net
> <mailto:forbesk@**astronomytower.net <forbesk at astronomytower.net>>
> > <mailto:forbesk@**astronomytower.net <forbesk at astronomytower.net>
> <mailto:forbesk@**astronomytower.net <forbesk at astronomytower.net>>>>
> wrote:
> > > One interesting thing this topic of "needs" has me
> thinking
> > about is the
> > > place that "shoulds" have in our religion.
> > >
> > > In a values-based aesthetic, there are no independent
> > "should" actions
> > > or rules; there are no "thou shalts" or "thou shalt nots".
> > Every time
> > > you think of yourself as "having to" or "must" or "should
> > do", then you
> > > should be able to complete the phrase "because it will
> ____".
> > >
> > >
> > > "I should open the door, because it is hospitable to
> do so."
> > >
> > > "I should say 'please', because I am acknowledging the
> right
> > of the
> > > person to say no, and that builds independence and
> community."
> > >
> > > "I should step out of my comfort zone, because it is
> > courageous."
> > >
> > >
> > > If you catch yourself having a bunch of "should" thoughts
> > and not being
> > > able to complete that sentence, then you need to ask
> > yourself what
> > > ethics you are caring around with you that are someone
> > else's rules,
> > > most likely picked up from our decidedly moral-based
> culture.
> > >
> > >
> > > -- Kelley.
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