1. Values? Honor, self-reliance, first come to mind for me . Which is fitting given that i deal with the Norse Gods. lol. But i would also have to had feelings to this too, being an Empath it is unavoidable.<div>Thor has been with me since i was a little girl, i never would have survived my childhood without him. Tyr has been with me far longer than Thor, through previous lives. I owe Freya and Frigga more than i can say, as i am now in Iowa with the man i love; after asking them for wise giudance and assistance (you just have to be careful what you ask for , they may give it you. lol. And make sure you really need and want thier help). I look to Odin for advice. I am forever a moon child, so Mani is very important to me.</div>
<div>How do the emotions relate to the 'values' thing? </div><div><br></div><div>2. Why should I 'honor' the Gods that call to me rather than choosing one myself?</div><div>Because there was a reason they called me. Some of the reasons some of them called me were honorable, on thier part; some were not, some were just curious. It is up to me to decide whether or not pursuing the relationship is beneficial to to either of us, will it enrich my life in some way? What will i learn form this? Sometimes , it was that that God was not where i belonged.</div>
<div>Sometimes, my life is greatly enriched because i know i am where i belong. I am home. </div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>Tyrscrow <br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 5:01 PM, Kelley Forbes <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:forbesk@astronomytower.net">forbesk@astronomytower.net</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">So two questions:<br>
<br>
1. What values do your answers represent?<br>
<br>
2. Why should you worship the Gods that call to you rather than, say, Gods you have chosen? -- or picked randomly out of a hat? You have an answer in "they will be pissed"; is there more to it than that?<br>
<br>
<br>
-- Kelley.<br>
<br>
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I should follow the god(s) that call to me because I respect them and wish to build a lasting relationship with them.<br>
Or in some cases, "I should follow the god(s) that call to me because otherwise they will be pissed."<br>
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Okay, let me go at it. I do not follow Celtic spiritual<br>
traditions, being more drawn to ancient Persian spiritual<br>
traditions. I follow Celtic musical traditions which is tied into<br>
Celtic spirituality no matter what the Irish will tell you. I<br>
still know nothing about the Celtic reconstructionist traditions<br>
other than what Chris and Kelly taught us at the Jeffco CUUPS event.<br>
<br>
My own take on religion is that it exists, not for the god(s)'s<br>
sake but for the purpose of building society. The rules of the<br>
religion will mirror the religious community's strongest values,<br>
not the other way around. What "offends the god" is what disrupts<br>
society. Religion exists for man, not for god(dess)(s). Yet the<br>
worship of a god strengthens the value that said god represents.<br>
<br>
What are the shoulds that build Celtic Reconstructionist society?<br>
You are very open in belief but there should be guidelines set<br>
down that are forbidden. Usually they have more to do to the<br>
needs of the people in it than the tradition at hand.<br>
<br>
Enlighten me.<br>
<br>
DSM<br>
<br>
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On 11/26/2011 8:39 AM, Kelley Forbes wrote:<br>
<br>
Alrighty, let's play the game:<br>
<br>
"You should follow the God(s) that you feel call to you,"<br>
because -- ?<br>
<br>
<br>
-- Kelley & Chris.<br>
<br>
Katie Murphy wrote:<br>
<br>
Yes, definitely, you should follow the God(s) that you<br>
feel call to you, rather than the God(s) that your<br>
parents/family/what have you expect you to follow/worship.<br>
Like, Brad's parents expect him to be Christian but it was<br>
never really true to him.<br>
<br>
However, I can understand the importance of stopping and<br>
checking ourselves for outside (say, Christian) moralistic<br>
views when it comes to approaching daily life and our Gods.<br>
<br>
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<br>
I think what both Sue and Katie are trying to get<br>
across, is that<br>
it is<br>
better to honor, worship, follow, whatever, the Gods<br>
who call you,<br>
rather<br>
than the God(s) your family expect(s) you to. I may be<br>
wrong on<br>
that, but<br>
that's what I'm getting from their posts.<br>
<br>
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Subject: Re: [Cro Dreoilin] "Shoulds"<br>
<br>
I think wanting to do something is, truly, very<br>
important; it is,<br>
however,<br>
only peripherally related to what I was saying.<br>
<br>
There are different parts that "wanting" can play when<br>
we are<br>
talking about<br>
living up to our values. We can want something<br>
physically or<br>
emotionally or<br>
mentally or spiritually/philosophically. Sometimes those<br>
different wants<br>
can come into conflict. We can, for instance, choose to do<br>
something we<br>
would otherwise not want to do, because we also want to<br>
live up a<br>
certain<br>
set of values.<br>
<br>
The crux of it is that, even in this situation, we need<br>
to be able<br>
to say<br>
what value or values we are living up to. When we are<br>
specifically dealing<br>
with aesthetic wants and choices, if we find ourselves<br>
substituting the<br>
"because it will ..." phrase with " ... because I want<br>
to," too<br>
often, it<br>
can be an indication that we are masking moralistic<br>
behavior. In<br>
this case,<br>
"wanting" can mean the internalization of societal<br>
norms to the<br>
point that<br>
we can't separate our own choice from what we have been<br>
brought up to<br>
believe is true.<br>
<br>
<br>
-- Kelley.<br>
<br>
<br>
Katie Murphy wrote:<br>
> I like what Sue said about this. I think that doing<br>
something out of<br>
> obligation isn't as meaningful as doing something<br>
because you<br>
WANT to.<br>
><br>
> --Katie<br>
><br>
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> It has been said that the best reason to do anything is<br>
because we<br>
> want to. So we say please, step out of our comfort<br>
zone and<br>
> venerate our gods not because we should or its<br>
polite or the<br>
gods<br>
> need it but because we want to.<br>
><br>
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><br>
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> > One interesting thing this topic of "needs" has me<br>
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> > place that "shoulds" have in our religion.<br>
> ><br>
> > In a values-based aesthetic, there are no independent<br>
> "should" actions<br>
> > or rules; there are no "thou shalts" or "thou shalt nots".<br>
> Every time<br>
> > you think of yourself as "having to" or "must" or "should<br>
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____".<br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
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> ><br>
> > "I should say 'please', because I am acknowledging the<br>
right<br>
> of the<br>
> > person to say no, and that builds independence and<br>
community."<br>
> ><br>
> > "I should step out of my comfort zone, because it is<br>
> courageous."<br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> > If you catch yourself having a bunch of "should" thoughts<br>
> and not being<br>
> > able to complete that sentence, then you need to ask<br>
> yourself what<br>
> > ethics you are caring around with you that are someone<br>
> else's rules,<br>
> > most likely picked up from our decidedly moral-based<br>
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> ><br>
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