[Cro Dreoilin] Up for Discussion: Do the Gods need worship?

Kelley Forbes forbesk at astronomytower.net
Fri Nov 18 16:50:21 MST 2011 

What do _you_ mean by "sacred" and "divine"?

When you say that _we_ need to worship, what does it do for us? Why do 
we need to worship; What do you mean by "worship"?


-- Kelley.

Greyhart wrote:
> I guess it depends on what you mean by Sacred. To me, they are very similar.
>
> It seems to me that every people and culture has had some form of worship.
> We need to find something greater than ourselves to give honor and devotion
> to. We need to worship something.
>
> Greyhart
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Kelley Forbes [mailto:forbesk at astronomytower.net] 
> Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2011 11:31 AM
> To: greyhart at castle-luna.com; community at crodreoilin.org
> Cc: Kelley Forbes
> Subject: Re: [Cro Dreoilin] Up for Discussion: Do the Gods need worship?
>
> If a God requires something, do they automatically need it?
>
>   
>> I also believe that we are Divine, based on the fact that all of 
>> creation was formed in a Divine act. Therefore everything within 
>> creation must be Divine.
>>     
>
> I think that if you replace "Divine" in that with "sacred", it won't be too
> far off from what CRs believe. There _is_ a difference between us and Gods,
> however, but it's not one of worth.
>
> In what way do you think we require worship?
>
>
> -- Kelley.
>
> Greyhart wrote:
>   
>> Just got up (worked until 3am).
>>
>> When I read the question, my first thought was also, 'what defines 
>> worship?' because worship is a word that means many things to many 
>> people. I personally like the definition you found, Sebastian. Most 
>> people in this country equate worship with giving power over to their 
>> Deity, and submitting themselves to the whims of that Deity. If that 
>> is the sort of relationship that a particular God requires, then they 
>> probably do need worship in order to exist.
>>
>> This is the sort of relationship I have experienced with Christians. 
>> The classic Trek episode, "Who Mourns For Adonis", which I believe is 
>> the episode Charlotte referenced, (yes, I'm a Trek Geek) was written 
>> about the crew meeting one of the classical Greek Gods, Apollo. It was 
>> written from the Christian point of view, where Gods are all powerful, 
>> and require humans to worship them in order to exist. This is a very 
>> telling attitude that Christians seem to have.
>>
>> I see Deity differently than what I've heard the CR's describe. To me, 
>> Deity is ever present, and what we look at and describe as individual 
>> Gods, are simply facets of the whole. I also believe that we are 
>> Divine, based on the fact that all of creation was formed in a Divine 
>> act. Therefore everything within creation must be Divine. In simpler 
>> terms, using the Charge of The Goddess, if the Goddess gave birth to 
>> all that there is, even though I myself was not part of that original 
>> birth, I am Divine by right of inheritance. I am the current 
>> culmination of whatever particles, atoms, or molecules that the 
>> Goddess gave birth to. Looking at it that way, when we worship the 
>> Gods, we are opening the connection between our individual selves, and 
>> that great source we call Deity.
>>
>> Do the Gods need or require worship? No, we do.
>>
>> Greyhart
>>
>> *From:* community-bounces at crodreoilin.org 
>> [mailto:community-bounces at crodreoilin.org] *On Behalf Of *Sebastian
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, November 15, 2011 11:17 AM
>> *To:* community at crodreoilin.org
>> *Subject:* Re: [Cro Dreoilin] Up for Discussion: Do the Gods need worship?
>>
>> In order to answer this question I admit that I checked the dicitonary 
>> for a specific definition of "worship" to understand the nuances of 
>> that term. There is the obvious connotation of prostrating before the 
>> gods which seems to be why many pagans cringe at the term. However, 
>> there is one possible definition that seems to answer this question of 
>> "what do you mean by worship?" in my own perspective. "formal or 
>> ceremonious rendering of [...] honor and homage". Now, on to the 
>> bigger question of need. If we aproach need as the idea that without 
>> our worship of them that they would fall into disrepair or that they 
>> are so proud that they require veneration for sustenance, I would say 
>> no. My answer would come from the perspective of building a 
>> relationship as you would with another person. In order to build a 
>> healthy relationship with another human, there is an amount of give 
>> and take, and this is where the "need" comes in to play. I wish to 
>> build a strong, healthy relationship with the gods and ancestors and 
>> my half of the give and take comes in the form of tanks, offerings, 
>> veneration and plain "good ole fashion'd conversation". So, in short, 
>> if you desire not to have a relationship with the gods, then no, they 
>> do not need worship.
>>
>> ~Sebastian
>>
>> On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 9:48 AM, Norman <planner1968 at yahoo.com 
>> <mailto:planner1968 at yahoo.com>> wrote:
>>
>> I am on the jump to run my day today but here are a few cent of my 
>> thoughts on it. I do think that every deity needs attention. How does 
>> that look and what is considered worship/ attention? If I ask my deity 
>> for something and that's it, that in my opinion is not attention or 
>> worship or however you call it. It's more about paying more attention 
>> about the happenings,signs and communications in your life and how you 
>> engage with them. You thank your deities, maybe even write a little 
>> thank you note for a start. Just as you do with the people. Get into a 
>> dialog. At a later point I will write more but now on my way into the 
>> world conquering my kingdom:-)
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>
>> On Nov 15, 2011, at 9:31 AM, Chris and Kelley 
>> <chris.n.kelley at astronomytower.net
>> <mailto:chris.n.kelley at astronomytower.net>> wrote:
>>
>>     
>>> In the interest of getting more discussion going on this list, we're
>>>       
>> going to start posting some topics for talk.
>>     
>>> Our first topic: Do the Gods need worship?
>>>
>>> This is not just a yes or no answer; there are lot of questions in
>>>       
>> this one question. Consider: Which Gods are we talking about? What do 
>> we mean by "need"? What do we mean by "worship"?
>>     
>>> Have at it.
>>>
>>> -- Chris and Kelley.
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